In this interview with Ashley O'Connor we talk about challenging the status quo by asking "why" as we re-evaluate the limits of what is categorized as "the societal norm" and carve out a soul led life for yourself. Setting healthy boundaries and communicating your needs more effectively will create space for your to allow yourself to grow, pivot, and evolve.
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In this interview with Ashley O'Connor we talk about challenging the status quo by asking "why" as we re-evaluate the limits of what is categorized as "the societal norm" and carve out a soul led life for yourself. Setting healthy boundaries and communicating your needs more effectively will create space for your to allow yourself to grow, pivot, and evolve.
In today's episode, we discuss:
Connect with Ashley:
Bria Wannamaker, RP.
@betterboundariespodcast
www.briawannamaker.com
Support the show, buy COFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
As always, please remember that these podcast episodes are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for medical healthcare or mental healthcare. Podcasts are available as an educational and entertainment resource and are not advice, recommendations, or suggestions. Please seek out the necessary professional services if you require assistance.
With my family, We grew up with guilt being a really important tool. I guess used constantly because my my family were very passive, lots of passive aggression and I don't think communication was was very good. As we grow into adults, we are learning that more and more how to communicate and how to actually deal with things head on.
Ashley, welcome to the Better Boundaries podcast. I don't know what we're going to get up to chatting about today, but I know it's going to be so welcome. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. I love these types of conversations where I don't know what we're going to talk about. It's the best. Literally the best. OK, so start maybe with just a background on you like who you are in your soul and then also like who your work self is. Family self. Just like a nice allround picture of who you are. Yeah, I love this question structured like this. I don't think anyone's asked me it that way. I love it. So I am right now profession wise. I am a registered nurse, turned health coach and personal trainer. For nurses and other women that kind of feel like they can't handle both the balance of chasing their aspirations and maintaining their health, whether it's physical, emotional, mental health. Those are the women that I serve the most. That's the easiest question to answer, right? What I do. But who I am at my soul level, I am someone who really strives to challenge the status quo, and I think I've done that whatever space I've been in. It's something I've realized recently. I don't think I let myself kind of take that label, but looking back on like my teenage self up until now, this is not my third career, so I've just constantly pivoted, constantly changed my mind, even though I think there's a really big pressure societally to follow a certain path and follow a linear path and check off all the boxes. My goal in life is to empower other women to do the same where we just we don't just accept things as the way it's always been done or the way that most people do it. We ask harder questions, we make decisions for ourselves and we grow and evolve from there. So those that's really what my motivation is, what my why is at a much deeper level, life wise. I, my husband and I are actually digital nomads. So another way that I've just kind of stepped outside the box and done something different because I only get one life, you know, so
we are living in different places for three to four months at a time around the United States. We'll probably dip into Canada at some point, but going around in different places and just trying out different types of life really and adjusting constantly, it's been such a beautiful journey. And then beyond that, I am the host of the Ashley Osho podcast, which used to be the nursing coop. So we've pivoted there as well, where we kind of talk about challenging that status quo, especially in the health industry, and building stronger minds, careers and bodies as we go, rather than trying to shrink all the time. Okay, it's a lot. And this is when I wish I had pen and paper. I need to bring that to every podcast interview cuz I had so many questions. Fleeting as you're talking. Like, what about this? What about this okay? So I love that you say the How did I, how did you put it so eloquently? Like challenging. And you're like my teenage quo. Yes, the status quo. That's what it is. Kate, tell me more about that piece. Like what does it look like for you and what does it feel like to be able to own that title and be like, yeah, this is who I am. I I push the limits and and I'm proud of it. Yeah. I when I was a teenager I was a very rebellious teenager. So I just rejected all like the the things that I thought was normal. I was. I was very like, I don't know, outsider, outcast type of thing. And I I owned that as a teenager. I think there's a lot of teenagers might do. I didn't get a like a regular phone until I was like in college. I wouldn't get a Kindle, like I do all these things now, but I wouldn't get social media. I only got social media in like 2016. So I was very like counterculture at the time. And I grew, I grew beyond that and started to try different careers and try different things. And and I think part of myself just started to fold and kind of fit into what society
wanted from me, which is really easy to do. We get a lot of pressure, I think, to do that. And as I've grown now and especially in entrepreneurship, I'm realizing that my main goal in life has still consistently been challenging the status quo. In the sense that the things that people tell me I'm supposed to be doing or I should be doing or I should have done by now, kind of get me really fired up and make me think like, well, why I like asking why all the time? Because I think it just gives us so much more knowledge and like a deeper perspective on life. And it makes it so that we build a life that we actually want. Because if we aren't asking why, it's so easy to get down this path where suddenly we look back and and we realize that this life wasn't even for me. I don't know who I am anymore and I don't know why I'm doing what I'm doing. And so I want to prevent that. I think for more women. Like I've, like I said, I've pivoted multiple times. It's now my third career. So I was in psychology, in behavioral health, and then I moved into the nursing space, and now I'm moving into entrepreneurship. And I think just allowing that to be okay, too, the constant changing of your mind, the constant pivoting and the questioning of like, what do I actually want? And that that answer evolving over time, I want to normalize that.
It's so neat. And I was actually talking about this the other day. Well, first of all, I'm always thinking of the idea of like the kind of death and rebirth of different, I guess, evolutions of our self and our interests and our skills and knowledge. So I love that you're like, it's okay to move on from one thing to the next and try on different hats and see what fits and see what feels good at that specific time. And you know, and like service base, like where where am I needed right now and and what lights me up and how can I, you know help others, help the collective and just and be there and learn the most I can learn on this planet. And we can only do that. You're right, by asking why. If we're just constantly, you know, sitting on the sidelines accepting things that are the way they're quote, UN supposed to be, you're right. We're not going to learn much. We're not going to grow much. And so I was talking about this the other day though with my therapist because I was like, it feels like everything's such a rush and it's so urgent and like, I just want to get to the other side and or like, be the best and she's like, be the best at what? I was like life. I want to be the best at life. And she's like, but like, what do you get when you get to the other side And I'm like, you get to be like settled and you have you have everything and it's calm and she looks at me and she's like you settled. Is that like truly what you want? And then she like paints me a picture and I was like, ohh, no, like I'm always going to be multipassion and always going to want to have multiple things on the go. So it's interesting to look at why, like why do I picture
like just, I don't know, sitting in a chair doing nothing or watching TV as quote UN settled. It's interesting to ask those questions and talk a little bit more about the digital nomad stuff. That's very interesting. Yes. So last year it was, but in the end of the year my husband and I had just finished, like we were trying to renovate our house, which was its own nightmare working with contractors and it lasted for really long time. And he had gone remote since COVID began. Like his job just enabled him to do that obviously isn't when I was practicing and nursing that wasn't possible for me at the at the time. But he had gone remote. And then I was stepping into this entrepreneurship space and it was just one of those ideas that hits you that it's like, well, what if what if we did this again? It's like, well, why, why? Why am I here? What am I doing and then what could I do I think is the the question that comes from that too. And so we were like what what would happen if we just packed up all our stuff and took off and and tried to do this. We are at a point in our lives where that's possible. And I think what I always get driven by as well, on top of, you know, challenging the status quo, asking better why questions is like, if I get to the end, what am I going to look back on and think, why didn't I do that thing? Like, this is one of those things where I'm either going to do it now or I'm never going to do it. So we kind of just picked it on a whim and we're actually living with two of our good friends as well. So, and I never thought I'd have roommates again in my 30s with two dogs and yeah, four people living in a house. But it has been such a transformative journey. Just there's so many pieces like packing up all your stuff or selling your stuff and and whittling down to a small amount. That's huge. Just letting go of so many things like those physical items that I think we we place so much value on, which is OK. But
I think letting them go is powerful too. It's like, oh, I actually, I didn't need a house worth of stuff. At some point we'll settle. Yeah. It's like not having like quote UN my stuff, like when we attach to it like this is mine and like you're in somebody else's house right now. Like, how crazy is that? Like how how do you feel being there? Cuz it's also that's also different than if you like had a whole Airbnb to yourself. You kind of spread out make your own routine, but like being in somebody else's space and routine like what is that like for you? Like cuz that's an exercise and like let it go. Yeah, yeah, it's we've we've been in different houses and in these ones the the hosts are not here, but we're interacting with them all the time, which is fascinating too. It's just really cool because you meet these people who are renting out their space for whatever reason they are and you get to know the hosts as well like why they're doing this. Like the ones that whose house we're in right now in Bozeman, Mt. They're in Connecticut this time of year for some reason. I don't know, we're still like meeting them and like learning why, but their life is also interesting so that it's been really cool to be part of somebody circle in that sense. Like them trusting us enough to live in their home, like that's that's a huge thing to appreciate as well. Like I don't it's not easy to do And then just adjusting to a space because I can't control every space that I come into. I can't control what furniture they're going to have. I can't control where things are. I can't fix any of that I guess. So it's it's also just an exercise in letting go in that sense like you're talking about of having so much control because I think we do crave that as humans. But I think there's power in letting that piece go to to a certain extent and just appreciating the pieces that you can control. That the moments that I can, the fact that I can put my desk here in front of a window and there's like mountains outside of here. And that piece I can appreciate, even though this desk is not something I picked out, it's just in this house.
It's really fascinating and really cool to adjust in that way. I never thought I would be doing this. And that is so neat, OK? And I'm curious too. Like, the first thing that popped into my brain when you mentioned like, digital nomad was family. So, like, what is there? Is there judgment, is there Like, oh, we're not going to see you? When are you going to be home for from this? What's the, like, family situation like with you guys? So my husband and I were in Tucson, AZ before and that was close to his family, who I love dearly. Like, I got so blessed with my inlaws there, the most incredible humans, and we got to see them a lot when we were into sun. And so from their perspective, we got lots of perspective. So from theirs they miss us of course, and they appreciate every time we come home. We're just changing that dynamic to where there's more calls that are happening, there's more trips that we plan with them because even as we're digital nomads, we're still traveling to other places and they are coming to see us. So there's lots of give and take now, which is really cool to see because before we were so close that it's we just come to you and it's easy. But now we're navigating that space where it's like, OK, you come to us this time, we'll come to you next time. And I think that's powerful too in a relationship, to have the distance and be able to close that distance when you can and work together to do that. And then my family is all on the East Coast. And the beautiful thing about that, I found really great boundaries by being farther away from my family, not because they're terrible people. I love them to death, but for me, that distance is actually really helpful for my own relationship to them. But this trip and this lifestyle gives me the opportunity for the first time in a really long time to move closer to them. So after Montana, we are actually going to the Northeast to be closer to them for four months. So I have that opportunity even though I would probably never move back to the East Coast, it's just not my weather vibe. But
I get to do that now so that that's really cool. And at the same time I'm navigating that relationship where I'm going to be closer. And then there's expectations placed where it's like you're going to be here, so you're going to be with us all the time. And I have to be like, well, actually I have a whole other life outside of this. So there's still a dynamic to to dance through. So my family has been really understanding in the sense that I think I've primed them for this for my entire life. Like I said, since I was a teenager, I think they they knew that I was always going to do great crazy things. Again, the weird one of my family that does this stuff, but they they're still, they have feelings and they want to see me more and there's lots of hole in that sense. But they've been super understanding at the same time.
I mean you said the word, I didn't. So let's talk about the boundaries there and how do you set that up if you're, I don't know, navigating like guilt and putting yourself 1st and like when needed and your podcast and your business and then caring for the women, women that you care for in your business. How is that going to work and what's your go to for. Yeah, I guess guilt is the biggest thing that comes up for me. Like when we're saying, no, I'm going to be here for four months. But like we're not having dinner together every single night. Like we'll make it meaningful, purposeful, intentional when we do get together. But I'm not like we're not going to be there all the time because you like you said I still have a full a full life outside of a family and that those connections. So yeah. What's your, what's your go to skill set for those boundaries? I think the biggest thing that I've learned is really the communication piece, which is probably the answer here all the time. But I think that in building boundaries, the communication of those boundaries is the most important thing that I do sometimes think is overlooked. Because we just, we decide for ourselves that there's a boundary. And if we don't tell other people that there's one, it's kind of like they didn't know. And so they may break it without even realizing that there's supposed to be a boundary there. And what what I find powerful for myself is in explaining why I have the boundaries that I do or the ones that I create is that my family or whoever I'm making the boundary with can understand why. Again, we go back to why they can understand where I'm coming from and why it matters to me. So with my family, we did. We grew up with guilt being a really important tool. I guess used constantly because my my family were very passive, lots of passive aggression and I don't think communication was was very good. As we grow into adults, we are learning that more and more how to communicate and how to actually deal with things head on. And
I think that my, for myself, my own growth journey and my own, like going to therapy and working through these things has been helpful because it helps my family. But the communication piece has become the most important because that's what was absent as I grew up. There was no communication of what was expected or what, why people were upset, why they were hurt, why something mattered to them. And I think the moment you talk about it, yes. The moment you explain, it opens up so many doors and then people can ask their own questions and people can understand. So the communication has been huge, especially as we move to the Northeast. And it's constant reminders for my family because they forget or they're really getting caught up in their own feelings of attachment or guilt or whatever else as I'm coming towards them. So I'm, I'm explaining over and over like okay, I'm going to be living this far away. That's also a key I made it, made sure I was still like an hour and a half, two hours away. But explaining that this is how often I'll probably see you guys and you guys can come to me as much as I can come to you, that's really important as well in a relationship, I think. Because sometimes if we keep going or bending for somebody else, it feels like you're in a relationship that somebody's constantly taking and they're not giving back to you. So get building that balance I think can be helpful as well. But the communication's huge. I like that. And you're right that sometimes people genuinely don't know, especially if that's been the family history, like this is the way we communicate. It's in a passive way.
Yeah. I'm just thinking, you know, if you were the expectation was that you were there, like, let's keep rolling with this every night for dinner one. And your thing is like, no, I actually coach. Like I have a group of people in the evenings, a couple nights a week, that you're right, they don't know that. And then also there's the piece where some people might expect you to to drop that oh, like can't you explain to your group you're you're on vacation, you're visiting with family and it's like, well, no, here's the why that's important to me because consistency is important and I love these people and I want to see them do well in their life and blah, blah, blah. I mean this is my livelihood. Da, da, da, like the why is so big and we miss that. We do miss that and talk a little bit more about like what what you do. How did you pivot from like, so the psychology, the behavior, I can't remember what you called it. Behavior. Behavior. Health. Yeah. Real health. Cool. Okay. And then going into nursing and then switching into this field and like what's it look like when you pull the container hold space for the people that you support now. Yeah. So I essentially my journey has the the thread has been exactly the same throughout each place that I've been. I think I've just been trying to get closer to the place that felt right for me. So in the core of each of those is helping people and making an impact on individual lives. That's what each of those jobs actually represented. I think I just bounced around trying to find the best place that I could do that and and feel that I was helping the way that I was meant to help. So in behavioral health, I I loved working with the like I work with kids and I loved working with them and helping in the way that I could. But I still didn't feel like I was making the impact that I was hoping for. Because I think unfortunately certain systems like in healthcare and in behavioral health are built that that can prevent things from happening that you really, really want to happen and that can feel really hard. So I pivoted there and in nursing, I thought that was going to be the place that I'd make the impact that I could help the most people. And part of it's probably timing. I started my career right before COVID and I was essentially COVID ICU nurse for for much of my career. And then I pivoted multiple times trying to find a different home where I could help the way that I wanted. But again, it sometimes felt like I wasn't. I wasn't helping the way that I intended to. There's
a huge focus, I think sometimes on quantity of life rather than like quality of life. And I wanted to help people at the quality level. And what I saw consistently was with the people that I worked with my the other nurses, the other healthcare workers, is that these people that are spending and in providers, the people that are spending so much of their life giving back to the world, can't give to themselves. They have nothing left for themselves. And so I found that that was where I was most passionate, and that's where I could make the most impact was with the people who were serving the world. I want to be the person to heal the healers, to like, support the people that need it the most because they give all of their energy supporting others. So that's kind of where I pivoted to that space. And now I'm in a space where I I help in a number of ways. So I am doing like one among coaching. At that level there's group coaching and then there's right now I'm trying to break into the space where I can get into schools and potentially with like administration to to try and heal the culture from the ground up because that's where it's broken and that's where it's flawed is there's an expectations placed on healthcare workers and and and so many people in different professions as well. This is similar but that expectation that you give everything you have to this job and you have nothing left for yourself. So I want to heal that from the ground up and I'm starting at an individual level but trying to work at the the core level in education in an industry as well.
So, so neat and it's cool that you I love when we take away learnings from the different situations that we're in, even if they're not what we think they're going to be. Example, like a lot of people would go into something and be like wow, that was a waste of time. Or even if we look at things like in terms of self worth, like say you're doing your spiritual growth, development, personal work, and you're like, I deserve so much more than than doing this job. This is so hard. I'm going to quit. I'm going to find something else that wasn't your mindset with it. Your mindset was okay cool. This is really uncomfortable. Like this is not for me, but what can I learn from this and like apply it elsewhere? I love that and that's such. That's the difference because people will be stuck in things and be looking at it as, wow, this is a waste of time or what am I getting out of this? And we get to choose you know what we're taking away from it. And so you are like into body, mind, health. Also I'm recognizing and it sounds like you have a really big passion for that. So talk to me a little bit about body, mind, health and like when you say healing the healers. And the third piece that I always ask myself like as someone who is like a healer too, and like who so desperately badly wants to help and lift others up, there's
always like this. I'd say like 100% No, that doesn't make any sense. Math wise,
99.9999999999% of me is like, yes, like this makes sense. Like on a soul level, journey purpose. Here's what I'm here to do. I'm going to help these people. And then there's that tiny little, like negative voice on like this material plane. And it kind of reminds me of like other people. Like it's a reflection of like other people saying like, what's the point? Like, what's the point of, you know, working so hard and like because you're like, I want to help people on the individual level and I'm like me too. And then part of it is like, it is hard, it is hard to to carve that out and to to lift people up sometimes when they're not, they're not there yet or they're not haven't recognized the the beauty and the power within themselves. So for you, what's the point? Because I have to remind myself of my point every single day.
I think that there's so much value in helping one person at a time. I think it's it's so easy to get to this place where we feel like the problem's so big that I can't do anything because I'm just one person. I'm such a small piece of this, but I I can't help but think of the ripple effect that happens or like the domino effect that happens that if I help one person they are then going to help a bunch of other people and then those people are going to help more people. And I think we forget that ripple effect that happens every time we make a choice like that. And I I also, as you were talking, I was kind of thinking of this that this thing that I'm hearing a lot right now where I get really excited and passionate about this idea of like helping at the individual level but also getting to a point where I can help at a deeper level like an industry level or like a bigger, bigger place like in schools or in education. And when I bring up that idea, I get a lot of pushback from from typically people in the industry saying there's no way you can't change it. It's just it's this is the way it's always been. And this is the way it always is going to be. And I, as a person who at my core is rebellious in nature, I'm like, well, now I'm going to do it for sure. That's exactly it. Whenever anyone says, like, this is how it's always been, it's like, Oh my God, yes. Oh my God. Let me add it. Yeah. And I. And I think that that too is the difference between like a victim mindset and then, you know, the mindset where we have control over at least our lives and our our, you know, minds to a certain extent. I. So that that essentially just fuels me. And I think if we all thought that we couldn't make anything change, if we all felt like we we had no control, we were powerless and there was no point. That just sounds miserable to me. So at the very least, I'm just going to keep trying
and know that if I impact one person that that matters too. And I think we see so often because of social media and everything else, we see these people who we feel like are so much farther ahead than us and and they're doing so much more. And it can feel like, well, what's the point of what I'm doing at this level or the thing that I'm passionate about? Because you may like you listening right now. You may not be like a coach. You may not be helping someone through like a program, but maybe you're making arts, like maybe you're making music or like whatever you're doing, it's impacting people around you, even if you don't think that it is. And I think that that that ripple effect is really what fuels me in the sense that I know that if I just focus on who I can help and and what impact I can make, that that impact is going to grow beyond me even when I'm not here. That is so beautiful. I love that you say the ripple effect because yeah, especially it gives hope. I work with kids a lot and I'm seeing so many kids losing hope. I can't tell you how many have said, have said things like what's the point? We just get jobs, go to work, have kids and die. And because that's what they're seeing right now. They're just seeing like our this hustle culture that we have created. So yeah, like, I don't blame them if that's your only example of possibilities. Totally. And so I like the idea of regardless of the level of impact or regardless of the future that you think you have, it's at least whatever you do is going to have some sort of effect, whether it is on nature. Like, I even think of like if you go for a walk in the woods, you're stepping in soil, like you're turning soil. There's like work coming up. The bird's going to eat the worm, like you're doing something wherever you go. It's. So, yeah,
it's so interesting.
Yeah, I don't know where I was going with that, but but yeah, it's such a beautiful thing to think about too. Though I I've never broken it down to that level of like the impact that we have. It's like the it's not like this, I guess. But the butterfly effect is kind of what makes me think of like the small things that you do impact the world in ways that we don't even realize the the little pieces. And sometimes it's a negative impact and sometimes it's a +1. But you're changing the world in so many ways. And the other piece as you were speaking was the the younger generations. It's it's so interesting to me that they feel so hopeless. I I hear why and I totally understand why. But I also just have so much hope in the future generations because they are questioning things like the fact that they're coming to you and and saying that it's because they're realizing this doesn't work. Like, why are we still doing this? Yes, so true. And so they're they're starting to question and they're young and so they have time to figure out what that the answer to that question is going to be for them. But I can feel that that it's hard to even think of it because that's kind of exactly where I was growing up, where I I was sort of just expected to go to college, but I didn't know what I wanted to do. So I just went and picked a degree, which I loved. I loved learning psychology, but it also at the same time, everyone was like, you're not going to get a job with that. What are you doing that's pointless. That's not, that's not helpful. And then you're guided down this idea that all I all that matters is that I get the job and then I get married, have this many kids retire. But I totally understand how monotonous and draining that feels. So but I I appreciate that they're questioning it now. And I think that the these this generation is questioning so much. They're changing the dynamic of work. They're changing how we communicate. And I think as we like for us in in other generations, it's easier for us to look and be like they're doing this wrong because it's different. But I think that that's what's beautiful, is that they're changing the landscape of the world. And I
I hope that they can keep that hope and keep the questioning to the point that they just really change things and change the structure of what societal expectations actually look like. Oh my God I I got shivers when he said changing the landscape. I'm like that's so true. It's so incredible when you when you look at things with and I guess the theme for today is like that curiosity piece that why that you had said and and that those questions can be reframed as as a good thing and just having that interest in. And I think as adults too we go quick to problem solving. So you know if if kids are asking those questions, well why we go quick quick to problem solving it or making an action plan on how to make it better. But sometimes it's okay to just have the question and leave it open and seek answers elsewhere. Yeah. And let them figure out the answer. Yeah. For themselves. Too. Yeah. It it's, it reminds me of the dynamic. I think sometimes in relationships where at least the stereotypical one is like when I bring things to my husband, sometimes he just wants to just jump in and fix them. And in reality, I just need someone to hear me and say like, yeah, that makes sense, like validate my feelings and I think that's that's what we all need. So the kids that are that are questioning this, they might just need to like just say it out loud because it's in them and it's scary. And I think giving space for that is powerful too. I love that so much. OK, if you're so wise, if you have like a couple Nuggets of wisdom that you want to leave, go for that. And then also let people know where they can find you. Yeah. So I would love to hear from each and everyone of you because connections just my favorite part of this whole journey. So you can find me on Instagram, Facebook, wherever at Ashley O show and then the podcast is Ashley O Show
wherever you listen to podcasts. So please send me a message, let me know what you enjoyed from this episode because that's the best part in terms of wisdom. I really, the big thing that I I just always want to leave everyone with is this idea that you are worthy, deserving and enough right now as you are. I know that we have a lot of pressure to fit a mold designed by society, designed by somebody else. But I want to be the person that gives you permission to break those walls and shatter those ceilings and build a life that you were actually meant for. One that you decided for yourself, not somebody else. So I'm rooting for you in that sense, and I know that you are too. And the world is really lucky to have you and to see your gifts, whatever those are, if you let them out. So I would just encourage you to do that and know that at the very least, someone's rooting for you over here. That's so amazing. And just as you're speaking, I'm thinking of, like, it's funny how we wait for permission. I'm like, okay, cool, Like Ashley's giving me permission. And then my mind goes to what is one thing that I would shift right now if I had, like, full permission to just, like, have more, I don't know, diversity or like, unconventional stuff in my life. And then I thought of a couple things. And one was like, ohh, that's possible. And the other was like panic, like, we can't do that. So it's cool to get in there and just ask that question of like, OK, if I had permission, what would I do? And then it's funny to hear like the little, the voices that come up, the ego that's like, sure, you got this. And the other part that's like absolutely not is there for a reason. It's true there to protect you. But those things that you're talking about, that's another ripple. The actions that we take, they create more action. So just start with the one
that feels safer right now, and then the other one's gonna feel safer as you go. Love that. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you for having me. It's been awesome.