Tracey breathes life into this podcast episode by sharing her deep understanding and knowing about human bodies and our ability to gain awareness and begin to process our emotional pain and address the root causes of our physical symptoms and manifestations of our emotions. We dive a little bit into the presentation of my eczema and Tracey provides some much needed insight into skin issues as well as other ailments.
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Tracey breathes life into this podcast episode by sharing her deep understanding and knowing about human bodies and our ability to gain awareness and begin to process our emotional pain and address the root causes of our physical symptoms and manifestations of our emotions. We dive a little bit into the presentation of my eczema and Tracey provides some much needed insight into skin issues as well as other ailments.
In today's episode, we discuss:
Connect with Tracey:
Instagram: @thehealingpoint._
Website: https://www.traceystevens.org/
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-healing-point-podcast/id1607743292
Bria Wannamaker, RP.
@betterboundariespodcast
www.briawannamaker.com
Support the show, buy COFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
As always, please remember that these podcast episodes are for educational purposes only and are not a substitute for medical healthcare or mental healthcare. Podcasts are available as an educational and entertainment resource and are not advice, recommendations, or suggestions. Please seek out the necessary professional services if you require assistance.
To this, it's linked to anger, frustration. Something isn't quite going your way. Something isn't quite sitting calmly in your body. There's a, you know, that burning sensation is like, yeah, there's an anger, there's something, something that wants to come out of you.
Amazing. Well, welcome to the show. Like I was saying, I'm really, really happy to have you here. I think this is a much needed conversation. So welcome. Thank you. It's great to be here. Yeah. OK. So where I want to start is maybe a little bit of background on you and how you got into the work that you're doing with like body, mind, connection. And yeah, I just, I find it so fascinating. So where did this journey? Start for you. Well, you know what I I think it started a long long time ago because I started my career as an occupational therapist. Um, in traditional in, in traditional, in western medicine and. Umm. Even in that area I used to work with stroke rehabilitation patients and particularly like the area of perception, so I'd be working with people to help sort of bring their. That means. It was more like that helping them adapt to their perceptual problems. So people have lots of, you know, visual problems, but also in their perception of the world. So people who have perception problems, you know, they they don't see things in the same way as we see things and so that always fascinated me. So working with neurological. Issues and working in head injury and that sort of rehab, that's that's really where I started. So I think I was already on that path of sort of looking at ah. How we see the world is not how everybody sees it. So true. Oh my gosh. Ohh. That's so neat that you could apply that, you know, physical injury to every everyone else and what we're going through as a collective and just how our perceptions are our own. And do you still work as an occupational therapist at all? Not in that capacity. OK. So when did you transition out of that work and into what you're doing now? So. Um, that would been
around, um. The year? Well, it was around about the year 2000 and I had my I had my youngest daughter. So at that point I've been working in the NHS for about 12 years, had three babies, needed something different, was looking for something different. Hands. The NHS wasn't really doing it for me and Western medicine wasn't really a really great fit for me, you know, I just, I found it very frustrating working in that environment and I was looking for something and. I had, I had read about acupuncture after I'd had my second child actually and I and it it had just created that little spark. But it wasn't until about 2002 that I actually said OK, I can't, I need to shift, I need to shift now. And everything came together basically. And I retrained then as a five element acupuncturist. And then I started my my next career as as an acupuncturist and grew that practice right up until last year, actually. And last a year ago, I. Decided that I needed to move into the teaching full-time. And that was sort of what I was being called to do, but there were lots of other trainings and other things that that sort of fitted into that whole journey as well. So yeah, OK, it's so neat. Through acupuncture, when clients came to you, what was or were what were some of the most common things that people would come in with? I'm always so interested because I just feel that we have so much in common and we all think we're so different. And so separate, but we all have the same ailments, they just kind of present in different ways. So was there
something similar? It's it's interesting, isn't it? Because I see every, I see everything that happens to us, everything that happens in our reality, our own reality and our own experiences and mirror. And so when I look back now from this point and I look back at my my life as an acupuncturist, there was there was such a mixture, it would be so hard to say, you know, from from pain problems through to chronic problems. But I attracted a certain. Type of person and. As every practitioner does, you know, everybody's practice is really different. I find it fascinating. And if any, if there's any practitioners out there and they've ever taken over somebody else's practice. Um, then had their clients come, come to them. Then, you know, you start to realize how different your clients are from everyone else who's clients. So it's really interesting, I suppose. Um. I people who have came to me were people who had um. Different layers of issues, so maybe they came with back pain, but it was just my nature and the way I spoke to them that we would always uncover something else and other other layers of. Um, physical stuff, but also emotional stuff. Hmm. It was like I couldn't help myself but to start digging a little bit deeper. And so you just, I just attracted those people, you know, the people that just had, I don't know, like a knee pain, just wanted the needles in and then wanted to go, I don't know that they weren't my clients. So it was. Yeah, the the people that came to me, you always wanted to Nick and needed that conversation. I love
that. And to be a client in those situations and feel seen is huge. And just to have your attunement there, like my aunt, she used to be a massage therapist. And, you know, she studied reflexology for a long time. And I remember, you know, at Christmas she would give me massages and would poke a spot on my foot and be like, Oh my gosh, what's going on there? And I would just start bawling and I'm like, well. All of these things are going on. So it's it's I know that feeling of being held and being seen and it's so nice to have, you know, a healthcare provider who does that for you or a healing person who does that for you. And so Fast forward to now the teaching and everything. I want to get into the juicy stuff, I think. Ah, so many things present physically and we don't give them justice for what's going on inside of us. There's so much blame that we place externally. And I love your work and I just you're everything I was looking at on Instagram from you resonated so deeply because I believe 100% that the majority of things I present physically are because of what's going on inside of us emotionally. Um, I struggle saying that to other people because I feel like a lot of people don't want to believe that. It's like almost like it's too much responsibility to take on. It's easier to blame external factors. So what are your thoughts on, on all of that, on, you know, the root cause of things that present physically? Well, the the understandings came slowly because when I found acupuncture being a wonderful, energetic medicine, I thought, why?
Why are people still walking around in the world with pain? What's what's going on? Because this is amazing. Everybody needs to have acupuncture. And that's probably the same thing that other people say, like when they discover their own their own modality that they're treating. And it's like, wow, this is, this is incredible.
So I started working and um. Took all my not, you know, all the acupuncture knowledge that I'd learned and I went in deeper into understanding and what points could I do to help other people heal? And over time it just made started to make sense to me that actually. What I was doing was only like a a very small part of their healing. I think to start with I took on this. I am healing somebody else. Yeah. And then as as as I my understandings grew, I sort of. Step back from there and I realised, ah. Most of the healing that you know they're doing it, it's their body that's doing it. I'm just facilitating it somehow. And but I wanted to know more. I wanted to know why, why, why do people keep? Coming back with the same issues, um, and it's all very well in in Chinese medicine to describe a a situation in somebody's body and say, Oh yes, they've got spleen deficiency or blood deficiency. But my mind was such that I want to know why. Why have they got spleen deficiency? It doesn't just stop there. It's like why, why is that existing or manifesting in their body?
And then I did.
2015 was. I started my training as a past life regression therapist, which took me. You know, really, really deep into the energetic world, into much more of the energetic world and this understanding, these understanding of past life and how we are as humans in this life. And it started to unfold for me from that point. Because I. I started to see people, see people almost from a. How can I say it? Like a from a different perspective, from a from a much bigger perspective. Like standing right back and seeing where they were at that particular point in their life and in their world and what their energy was doing. And also that it was all connected to their past, their past, current life, but also these other energetic imprints that come from much deeper in our energy and the whole invisible. World. So it was like, I don't know, it's like putting, it's like putting 3D glasses on at the cinema all of a sudden when you suddenly see a film that you've been used to looking at in 2D then you put 3D glasses on and go ohh OK, here's, here's more, much more perspective. So. There was, there was quite a lot of, I don't know, just I I can't put it any other way other than understandings and knowings when I started that work, so it gave me like another another dimensional layer to view people with. And so I can also understand why people don't want to delve into that side of things as well, because to look at your past is often painful. To look at all the things that made you who you are can be really difficult. And we have grown up in this world, which says that is a load of rubbish. We've grown up in. We, we are taught in schools, you know, everything's very factual. Everything's very
physically related, you know, science has has become very well started often to science, started off as if we can't measure it, we're not really interested. Um. Yeah, you know, and so there was this development of. It's all just about the physical. So we've, you know, we've grown up with that. We need proof where everything is like certified and and. Uh oh, I can't think of the word that has to be validated with science. Yeah. And as a population of people, we get very frightened about saying things to people in case they don't like it or in case people don't like us or, you know, so there's all that going on, isn't there? There's layers and layers and layers of. Personal trauma, um. Energetic. Trauma. Collective trauma. And it's all affecting each one of us. All the time and and I think there's been a really big shift in people's understandings and people are starting to claim their power back now in terms of. I know it. I know that this pill isn't the answer to this issue that I've got and people have. You know, that voice has got louder and louder, hasn't it? Especially over the last decade, I think. Yeah, I think so too. It's interesting. I went to see Gabor Matte speak a couple of weeks ago and one of the things he said was he had been working with department head of psychiatry at Harvard. And this was three years ago and the department head had said to acknowledge the body mind connection would mean losing your job or something in
those words which is wild just that we we have been so focused on the the validation, the IT needs to have proof in science so to speak. So that's really interesting point that you made and there has been a shift there definitely there has been a shift. Um, over the last little bit and can you talk a little bit about? Um, ancestral trauma? Like now that we're now that we're there, now that we've kind of touched on that, are there ways or things that people can do to? Connect with that on their own.
Ancestral trauma is there in all of us, I I believe, actually, I think, I think no matter what culture you come from and obviously there's there's many cultures that have really suffered in terms of oppression. Umm. But that ancestral trauma is there throughout our human history. You know, there's histories of war and trauma and just just atrocities. For all of us and so. Umm.
The thing is, is that we're living here in the physical, right here, right now. And. We sometimes carry these energetic imprints from from these from the past. But because we are here and we have chosen to be here at this particular time on the planet. Um. I feel that that you know that that we were all being asked at some level to to heal these traumas and you heal them right now, so you heal them in the way that you are. You walk and talk and be in the world. And so you can. You can sometimes see these ancestral traumas playing out in people's bodies. Quite often with um.
Various various disease states, and the one that I always mention is the the menstrual cycle for women in particular, because that you often see this this whole. A pattern through families of like imbalances in the menstrual cycle. It's probably the easiest one to track.
But everybody has this responsibility, or this power, let's say. To to change those patterns now in the here and now and so. How would somebody go about that well? It's first of all, it's recognizing what might be yours and what not, what might not be yours. So, and that goes just to the words that go round in your head because you know if you've grown up with a particular family that has a particular viewpoint. And that viewpoint is in essence. Limited. Um. Then you can recognize those words that come up like um. I shouldn't do this, or I shouldn't be this or this is bad. If I if I want to do this, I'm a I must be a bad person. You know any of those sorts of words and thoughts that go around in our heads? Then we can learn to recognize where those words come from and learn to shift that within ourselves. Because those words have not just come from your mother. That maybe come from the your grandparents and from those parents before you know, it's it's we grow up in these patterns. We hear these words, these opinions, these views. There's often an emotion related to it. But we can change that right now for ourselves. As we change things for ourselves, we change things for our future generations.
I don't know. I don't know if that answers your question. Yes. Yeah, I think that's amazing. Thank you. And I think that's. Really tangible for people. Um, because when you talk about healing, healing things or working on trauma, I think people often think that means sitting down and therapy and of course do that, but like for months and years and journaling and doing all this stuff. So I love that you say by taking little steps today to just change how you're being in the world. You can start to heal those things. And something that you said was making changes right now helps with our next generations. And something I'm seeing is some younger people right now, maybe like in their 20s, late 20s aren't wanting to have kids, whether that's due to you know, just financial difficulties. And I know there's everyone has a right to their own choice. But I'm seeing this like frequently like financial difficulties, even just like a quote, UN quote scary world to bring kids up in. And then also in part due to their own trauma, they're like, I don't want my kid to be like me. Or, you know, if somebody has these OCD checking tendencies, they're like, I don't want my kid to live in this type of hell as well as me. So what do you? Think about that, especially
having like kids of your own and everything and and anything that could kind of comfort people to. Feeling like they don't have to make that decision right now versus like, you know, we kind of live on 2 extremes, like I'm having kids or I'm not having kids, but is there a comfort of like a middle ground? Well, I think that's all about living in the present moment, really, and just bringing everything back to the present, back to presents and back to awareness. Because there's no, you know, like somebody might make that decision in their 20s. But in their 30s or maybe they start doing some work, they have some insights. You know, things, things shift and things don't have to stay the same. And I think that's the whole point of life. As you know, we're here, we have free will, we make choices. And at one point we might think actually, you know? Especially if they're in a relationship where one partner wants kids and the other one doesn't. You know, it might be, I don't. I really don't want kids right now, or I don't want to make that choice. But that doesn't mean it has to stay like that forever. And I think it's just being allowing for everybody. You know, people change, people change their minds about things, people.
There's the whole Chinese analogy about the way Chi or energy flows. Because when when energy stops flowing, that's when we get pain. So it's that stuckness that gives us pain. So there's a there's this whole Chinese philosophy called Daoism, which is all about going with the flow. It's all about the way.
Just staying very present, noticing how you feel every day and allowing like the change to happen a bit like just floating on a on a river and letting the water take you. So it's like letting the pattern of your life unfold instead of trying to control everything.
You know, so many of us are so young when we have children. You know, I say this, I say that to myself, so I have my children in my 20s.
And when I look back, I think, Oh my goodness, how did I ever bring children into the world? You know still so childish in my in the way things were for me. But there's it's understanding that you just make the best possible choice at any, any time, don't you? And that's all you can do. You everybody's just doing their best and. It's it's about not making judgments. As well, you know, because that's the thing, isn't it? Because a lot of judgment comes down from other places. Even on making a personal decision about whether or not you want to have children, it's like this. Umm. The world needs to be more compassionate. The world needs to be softer. Yes. The world needs to allow everyone just to do what they're doing instead of everybody having an opinion about everything. Do you say to me, Oh my gosh, Amen. Yeah, it's so true. I love that the. Having a bit of softness for others, it's is huge. I think. I think so, yeah. Thank you. That was really good and really insightful. And I like what you're saying about just energy flowing and just, yeah, like the river analogy, I love that because so many times we're resisting and clinging and grasping and holding on to things. And I noticed in myself, it comes out physically with
like. Jaw tension. I'll be like my teeth will be clenched and then I'm like, Oh my gosh, what what am I holding on to right now? What is this like? It's this like sense of anger or frustration or and it just, it's coming out and that's having that sense of, you know, thinking we have control or trying to gain control when really if we just ease into it and lean into it even it's, it can all go smoothly. So I'm wondering. I would love to get your. Therapeutic insight on skin stuff. So I've heard of a lot of folks going through skin stuff like people having. Different cysts or rashes. I myself have had the worst eczema ever on my hands for the past year or so, and then it cleared up and it just came back again. And it's so funny because I watched my mom have eczema all through growing up. And I don't think it's something that I would naturally get, but I think it's a learned kind of stress response from watching her have it. I just, it doesn't feel right for me. I don't think I would have it unless I have watched her and like different cold sores and I just like there's so many people have skin things going on and then we're embarrassed to talk about them because like sometimes they're embarrassing places. Um, and they look gross and funny. So what are your thoughts? And then and then too, I guess skin is the largest organ in the body or takes up the most span. So that always interests me because I'm like, wow. And it's
like your barrier against the outside world. So yeah, your insight on skin. Well, you've, you've, you've said a lot there you see you you mentioned so you just mentioned it being a barrier to the outside world. Um, if we just change that language a little bit and say, well, it's a boundary between my inside and my outside? There's the key. It's about your boundaries. So it's, you know, skin problems often come up when when there's a boundary. When there's this, imagine this discrepancy between what's inside and what's outside. So, um. With like if we use eczema as an example.
So if we use xma as an example, then I would say to you what does? What does the eczema feel like? What does it feel like? Ohh. Itchy. Yeah, it's itchy. It burns. It's also gross. Like, I really like my hands. I have really nice skin and it's ugly as well, so it feels um. It feels itchy. It feels annoying because it keeps going back. It feels like there's like powerlessness because I'm like, I take really good care of myself and then this happens. So yeah, there's like a sense of powerlessness there. OK, so yes. And there's there's some more words there, you see. So, and this is what I do in class as well as get people to use different words. So when you say itchy.
There's there's other words for itchy, irritated. For example, yeah, there's an irritation there. Did you notice how you were feeling when you were talking about it? Did you feel irritated at your? Absolutely yes. And so it's like, well, what's irritation linked to? You know, what emotion is it linked to? To this, it's linked to anger, frustration. Something isn't quite going your way. Something isn't quite sitting calmly in your body. There's a, you know, that burning sensation is like, yeah, there's an anger, there's something, something that wants to come out of you. And this is the way I explore things, because it's it's one thing just to say, OK, skin is a boundary issue. And then people go, well, I haven't got any boundary issues. I'm fine. But when we start to unpick, it's just a certain it's just a certain way of questioning people to help them get to the root cause. Which you may have heard in my podcast actually. But. Is a gentle questioning to help somebody discover that emotion. You've got irritation there. There is irritation in you. So I would then and I we don't have to do this now. Go as far as you want to go to. It's sort of immature to help. You know, dig a little bit deeper. So yeah. What are you irritated with in the world? What's irritating? What was irritating you just before this latest outbreak that came up on your hands? Oh my gosh, so many things.
I'm like, OK, so I'm avoidant with a lot of things like finances, relationships. So those are things that definitely irritate me and that there's like a sense of fear and anger with looking at those things. And I get that. Yeah, that makes that makes total sense to me. And so when you come up against that wall for yourself. Umm. I don't know, maybe we use a little example like, um, I don't know, maybe you've got to. You've got to review your finances and you hit, you hit a place where you you don't want to look at that or. It does that make sense to you? Oh, yeah, yeah. So you hit that wall. You don't. You don't want to look at it because it actually scares you. Or it's I don't want to. I don't want to have to be faced with that. But so that's one part of you that has those thoughts. But very often what there is, there's also another part that's the adult version of that, that's saying. Why you getting so annoyed about that? We've got to look at it. And and then there's this. So this is conversation that goes on inside between these different parts of yourself. The part that is scared and the part that feels fear when, when that when there's this lack of security. This. Hanging around in the background and the part of these says it's all fine. Come on, let's do it. What's the matter with me? Why can't I do it? And that is a conflict, and there we have a conflict internally. And. Depending, you know, different people have different feelings, but quite often that conflict creates a frustration. It's like a. A stop start. I can't. I wanna get on with this but I can't. And so like something from the inside wants to move. And another part of you is is holding back ohh, my gosh, there's that comes up in so many different areas of my life. And you say that stop start. And I see that with clients too of mine who struggle with motivation
or like ADHD or you know depression. It comes out as maybe not necessarily like. A physical symptom. But I mean, those are physical symptoms. When you're having trouble getting out of bed or when you can't stop crying, that's still a stop start. And still that conflict of one part of you is like, why can't I get out of bed? I have 20 things on my To Do List today that I want to do and that are important to me. And the other part is like, I I can't. We we're not doing this today. It's crazy. Wow. And that's so true. And there you are and there's and there's. You, you, you spoke to it just then, because that is that sense of powerlessness, because the part of you that is scared, that can't get out of bed, that can't look at your finances, the part of you that is the stuck part is usually related to your childhood when you wanted to do things. And couldn't when you wanted to express yourself and were stopped or shut down or. Um, silenced. Whatever that is. That's where that that's where this part of you still lives. Um. And. It hasn't quite grown up yet, that part of you. And so we get these really big conflicts inside of ourselves because that bit is attached to your nervous system and it's attached to your body. And so we get these these massive conflicts inside. I want to move forward. My cognitive brain says I can move forward. But my internal self, there's no, I can't, I can't do it or I'm scared or and you get it. And what happens is in the physical world, you just get stuck and can't seem to what, move forward or procrastinate
or choose your comfort zone, you know? And they are just watch Netflix instead and they'll do it later.
And because that is, that's the comfort place, that's the soothing place, that's the place which feels more comfortable to be in than facing the. The fearful part. If that makes sense. And so it's just for everybody, there's there's these conflicts inside and that's what the xma is. Some conflict has come up inside of you and and it's just starting to reflect on the things that come up in your body. What they may be related to and once you start to understand that language of your body, and for people with skin problems, it's understanding what their you know, what their skin issue is saying to them. It will lead you into understanding what happened in childhood to create this conflict. And once you know that, then you can start working with yourself in a lot more comfortable way. Ohh, yeah. Making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Oh that's interesting. So one of the things that came up for me when you were talking about that is.
People, I think often try to would go into one layer of that and say, OK, you know, what is this? Let's keep going with skin, what is this eczema flare up telling me, oh, I should cut out gluten and dairy and soy and I need to go vegan and I need to drink more water and just making those little external changes in their life. Which may or may not help. So there is like one layer of it, but. How do they go that next step? Where is a good? I guess this is my last question for you. Where is a good place to start helping with whatever people are going through that stuckness and get that? Tea moving. Yeah well. Sometimes it can be really hard to do this work on your own, because I always say that our physical issues are our own blind spots. That's why it comes up in the body, because you can't. You can't work it out, you can't see it, you don't, you don't always know what what is there. So these are these are our own blind spots, and it's hard to work with your own blind spots. But that's not to say that you can't, um, and that's why I put the work out there that I put out there, because most of most of my posts will have questions in them rather than I'm telling you, I don't want to tell you what you've got. I want you to discover what the issue is inside of yourself. And that's because that's true healing and that's true empowerment. So the the questions to start with the first just to
reflect on when is this issue? This physical thing, when does it come up for me? And if it's chronic, it's like when does it flare? And what am I doing or what have I been doing? Before it flared. What? What am I finding uncomfortable? What's been going on? And just start to put the pieces together. If you start to notice, for example, the irritation that we mention, if you start to notice, Oh yeah, I'm feeling really irritated at this, in this particular moment with this thing. And then you start to notice OK Ohh and then two days later my eczema flares up. Then you can start to put these little pieces together, and that's a really good place to start to understand your own body and how your own body is reacting. Um, and then you can start to unpick the emotions, like the how was I feeling part of it? I think that's a great place to start. And and then people will naturally find a way to go deeper. Either, you know, journaling therapists of courses, books, you know the answers. And that will always be there for people. That's what I find is really interesting. It's like things pop up on your feed when you need them the most, you know, and stuff like that. It's so true. And I like that you see that. That's a good place to start. It's just by asking the questions. And then? I would encourage people to to give an honest answer because just because you find out something, just because you find out you're that you're at Zion and the conflict inside like is triggered by, you know, your family, your grandparent. It doesn't mean that you still can't go to the holidays and see your grandparent and you have to cut off all connection
from them, or that you're irritated with your husband and now you have to get a divorce. It's we're scared of. The answers, because we jumped to those extremes and I just. Yeah, I it's about for me anyway, I I guess I'm projecting. I it's about being actually honest. Of that is so true because yes, it is about being. It is about having that honesty. And yeah, exactly. It doesn't have to. It doesn't have to project right out into the future to this, you know, I'm going to have to not talk to my family anymore or whatever. It's more about understanding, OK, why was irritated? What am I irritated about? What is that anger about? So and and these are, these are like deeper questions. It's not just because somebody else said something, it's what happens inside of you that's important. Because another person might hear those same words and not be irritated. So why is it irritating you? What does it remind you of from your childhood?
Yeah. What's being triggered? It's about what's being triggered inside of you. And that's your own wound, you know. So it's, yeah, it's deep. It's deep work and we can talk about it for ages. But no. Yes. Thank you for sharing everything. It is such deep work and and I love that. It's. It's exciting that that lights me up too. I think it's so important to do this. So yeah, can you tell everybody where they can find you, work with you, listen to your podcast. Everything that you offer and if there's anything new and exciting that you have coming up, OK, so my main platform has always been Instagram. So I'm I'm on Instagram as the healing point.
My course, which is what I finished my acupuncture clinic to teach, is called the root cause practice programme. And basically it's a 12 week quite intensive course where we go into what I what I have dubbed as emotional anatomy. So we're looking at the body and the messages from the body, but I'm also teaching people or way of. Connecting and questioning. People so that they can help unlock what's inside for their clients. I aimed it at practitioners originally because I was an acupuncturist, so, you know, I just. I just thought, oh, this is great for acupuncturists. Um. And then it sort of quickly snowballed into any sort of practitioner because I realised anybody that's working one to one with people can benefit from this. And then people started asking me, oh, it's I'm on a personal journey, can I join? So, so, so now it's a real mixture of people. I heard. I don't vet people. Whether they, you know, I just assume if they resonate with the course, then they'll be. And then they'll be right for it. But so, but just recently as as my Instagram has grown and the amount of people wanting to to come on the course has grown. I'm trying to tidy it up a little bit, so I will soon be releasing what I'm calling a foundation course. So it's whether you're on a personal journey or a practitioner's journey. It will cover the basics of some of the things we've talked about today, about about the root cause and about childhood and how we become.
I'm just, I wanted to say wounded. It's not a very good word, but how those wounds are are created in us which then lead to physical illness. So. So the foundation course will be a much shorter shorter course that people can then choose to carry on and work with me more in the in the bigger 12 week course or they might that might be enough for some people just to do their own personal work. Yeah, and I've got lots of plans for. Short workshops and all sorts. I mean, I'm I'm brimming with ideas and lacking in time to create everything I want to create, but who knows what will happen in the future. I'm just at the beginning of this journey so it's exciting. Ohh and the podcast. So please listen to the podcast people because that will really offer some healing for you because it's conversations with real people about their condition and we look at their what they come with to explore. And we go deep and we see if we can find the root cause of it in those podcasts. So I've I've always got spaces. Well, I don't know. I haven't always got spaces. But I I am always open to people coming to have conversations with me on the podcast. And you'll find my on my website, which is. Www.tracystevens.org.
You'll find most of this information and um, my podcast page and you can book a conversation with me there, free or free. So that's so incredible. Thank you, thank you for sharing all that. I love the idea of your big course and then branching off and doing, you know, the foundations program as well. Yeah, that was really resonating with me. So I'm a psychotherapist now, and I had been a personal trainer before. And in both it, you know, overflows, people are coming to you and their bodies are involved. I mean, their bodies are attached to them. So yeah. So that's really, really neat. And I could see, yeah, there are a few people in my life who I'll tell that course, tell about that course too, because I could 100% see. That being effective for like you said, I'm glad you opened it up too. You know, kind of everybody and anyone who it resonates with that's so amazing. I'm going to link all of your information in the show notes and yeah, I hope that people connect with you if it if it seems like the right fit. And thank you so much. Ohh. Well, thank you. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Thanks.