The Better Boundaries Podcast

Part 1: Korinna Brockman on Human Design

February 06, 2023 Bria Wannamaker, RP. Season 3 Episode 142
The Better Boundaries Podcast
Part 1: Korinna Brockman on Human Design
Show Notes Transcript

This is episode 1 of 2 with Korinna, she took her training in reading Human Design via Sort of Spiritual and she now works to help others gain more self-awareness and work toward alignment in their lives. In this episode, Korinna shares openly about her background and upbringing and her journey with creating a more authentic life for herself. In episode 2 (out on Feb 13) we do a deep dive into the different types of human design charts and she provides details on what your type says about you; stay tuned!

In today's episode, we discuss:

  • Spirituality
  • Human Design
  • Religion
  • Enmeshment
  • Faith
  • Guilt
  • Shame

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when we're struggling or out of flow or living in our not self is what human design calls it. That's where we experience more of the challenging side or the low expression of the energies. There is no or good or bad, it just is and it's recognizing. When we're in that struggle, you need to have those struggles to experience and appreciate the the highs, 

OK. Welcome, Karina. Thank you. Yeah. I'm so happy to have you here. This is, like I said, first time doing in person interview feels like very weird with the camera. So I don't know whether we look at it or whatever, but. Have like a natural. OK, amazing, amazing. Can you tell everybody a little bit about you first hand? Absolutely. So I AM 40 years old. I discovered human design two years ago and it made. My life make complete sense in a sense that I definitely lived a life of lots of experimentation, a lots of growth, a lots of evolution. I grew up in a small town, a family. I was the eldest and only daughter with three younger brothers. Yes, very religious family. Deeply, deeply religious family. And. Going from there, trying to figure out, OK, what do I want to do with my life? Going to school, taking human design, not liking it, trying the travel agent thing, not liking it, and just lots of exploration. And I've been in the restaurant industry now for over 20 years, which, yes, serving a lot of serving people and meeting a lot of new faces, but obviously not feeling very fulfilled by that. And it wasn't until discovering human. 9 two years ago that all of a sudden it's like. I get it, and I understand it now, you know, and the big underlying theme with my entire life was I always just want to help people. I want to help people navigate and figure out who they're meant to be and like, live a life full and with peace and joy and happiness and abundance. And so how do you, how do you do that and how do you get there? And discovering human design has really 

helped. 

It's a great tool or a modality to kind of help you along the way, OK? Few things about all that. Thank you for sharing. So one, when you were like, I'm 40, I'm like, pardon. Yeah, Yeah, like what? OK, so we're gonna need maybe our second episode is gonna be your Wellness tips cause both the first. So. OK. So that was shocking information to me. I always like to lead with that. Start with the big shocking information. What you didn't just pop out of high school. OK. This is news to me. OK and then the other piece is. I'm is so interested in religion right now. Can we talk about your upbringing? Absolutely, absolutely. Mine is very juicy. So the church that I went to, it's actually really funny because I had to do a lot of deconditioning from it. It was a very, very strict church in the sense that, you know, women had to wear skirts past the knees, they couldn't cut their hair, that type of thing. But unlike a lot of churches, we actually went to church on Saturdays. Um, it's called the worldwide Church of God. And if you Google it, which I implore you to after this, yeah it talks about being it being a little bit cult like. It was created back in the 70s, sixties or 70s, I think, by a man who said that he was driving with his wife and got a vision that he was the one he was. Odds. 

Messenger. And to you know spread the word of of you know his of whatever. And so yeah we grew up in that church that was it was interesting because. It helped solidify a faith in me, but I did not resonate at all with the church and so I really struggled with it when I was really young and. Even in school because. You. My religion was very different from everybody else's. I definitely felt like an outcast. So, you know, everyone's like, what are you, Mormon? What are you? You know that no one could understand what I was. And I was like, well, I'm Christian. But then that didn't make sense either. So it was a it was a very weird. Time in my life and it took and it's taken me a long time to remove a lot of that. Religious stigma from how I live my life, you know, especially now that I'm into yoga and practicing Reiki and I'm I'm exploring all these things. But somewhere in the back of my mind there's still that that is wrong, that is devil worship. That is, you know, like that type of idea that really, really sticks with you because that's all you've known for the 1st 16 years of your life. I think that's. Wild especially like going to school and then having other kids question. Yeah. And question your faith in having I I find it so interesting having I guess the word is maybe disparity between home life and school life and culture and everything. You know, I work with a lot of folks and like like Southeast Asian folks and just different like cultures that are practiced heavily in the household and then it's completely different when you go to school or whatever. So I think that has a huge impact on you too, that we don't recognize it did. So what are some of the ways to like, how have you kind of deconditioned yourself? Because that's a whole lot of freaking work, to have those beliefs like heavily ingrained in you and like to sift yourself out of those beliefs. So it wasn't until I left my 

home, my family home when I was 19 years old. We grew up, like I said, small town, getting halfway, and we moved to Kingston. And I started to go to school there, and that's when I discovered yoga was in my early 20s. And that kind of just went to my brain realizing that there's other faiths out there that resonated much more deeply with me. I don't know much about the Buddhism faith, but from what I do know, I I really identify a lot with just that, all loving. Non attachment. Ohh. I just think that it's really beautiful. So it wasn't really until I was probably in my mid to late 20s that I started to really realize the effects that it was having on me and how I choose to live my life and the guilt that I've had upon myself. For example, one of the big things was no sex before marriage. None whatsoever. Then you get married, then you have kids and you don't divorce so. To be a teenager and being very curious about, well, what is the sex that I'm not supposed to have and being very curious about that and exploring that at a young age. But also feeling that guilt for that and recognizing that I. Led a lot of my life under the assumption that I should be getting married. And then it wasn't until being in my 30s, being like, well, is that really what I want? Is that really what I believe in? Do I believe in forever and ever? You know, and so it took a long time and every once in a while it still comes up where it's this idea of, OK, is this my religious conditioning or is this my true belief? Challenging and like I've 

spoken before on the podcast about just like growing up kind of enmeshed. Like I have an amazing family and but it was my mom's single mom. And so we were like best friends and like very very close. And then realizing like after moving out and like being on my own for a bit and like oh, like we were best friends. But there was also some like places where it was too close, where there was no like self identity. And just like we said, our needs aside and like, you know, just are just us purely as who we are as soul. So I think it's so interesting, especially when you have a big, like those are big core beliefs. Like when I talk about my mom and I'm like, yeah, like it's been a journey for me to sift through and like find myself, but I feel like it's under fewer layers than than that overarching of like no sex before marriage. Like, you wear your skirt down to here and just like the amount of shame when you try and move through that. Is there any advice or tips you would have for people who are kind of stuck in that and asking yourself for like pausing and taking the time to reflect on, like, whose belief is this? Yeah, well, I mean, I think one of the things that I really learned is having life experiences because you're not going to know until you experience something until you. You know, especially if, like I said, you grow up in a family and this, there's this one belief, there's this one core belief of this one, whatever. And then you leave that and you explore. You have the ability to explore, you get out of that energy, energetic aura of other people and you're able to say OK. What do I believe in? And it takes a lot of work. Like it takes doing the shadow work. It takes sitting alone, journaling, reflection, pondering to really get to the source 

of, OK, what do I believe in and. Listening to other people and listening to other people's ideas and their beliefs. I so often I don't think it's wrong to be influenced by someone else's belief because then that what that means is that you're open minded and you're having that willingness to explore other people's thoughts and just because. Someone might say something to you and you don't resonate with it. That's great. That's amazing. Now you know. But at least you have that willingness to be open to listen. I love that. That's so key because so I'm learning so much about biodiversity and how just like as a species we are, we're ******* up our biodiversity, OK? We're just like, we like these two binary boxes for everything. And like, even in terms of like agriculture and stuff, like we're messing up our farming. Don't ask me anything more than that. Because that's all I know. Yeah. Yeah. We're messing things up. Yeah. Like we're seeing animals go extinct, all that good stuff. But so we've really like and cancel culture, like shutting people down and every guy. Yeah. So I love that you're saying like it's OK to filter through other people's, like, opinions and beliefs and whatnot. And so I'm typically someone who agrees. Like, I'm always been very agreeable. It's like people pleasing tendency. And so I will. Like, yeah, you believe that. Awesome. Now, I believe it too. Great. Like, that is that deal and all. And so I've been like practicing sifting, sifting through and like listening to podcasts. And instead of like taking everything in and being like, Oh yes, this is a fact now, like critically analyzing things and I'll like speak out loud. Like, that's not true. I actually agree with that. So and that's like a very empowering place to be when you can take some things and like leave it. Yeah. Yeah, that's so good. I love that. Yeah. OK. Talk a little bit about 

your journey through human design. How did you find it? And yeah, because you were like, I went to school, I did all the things. And then, yeah, go through all that. Yeah, absolutely. So I've been on a journey of discovering self for, I mean, I'd say for all of my 30s. It's probably to sum it up. So for 10 years. Lies. 

And I mean everything from reading Eckhart Tolly to Michael C singer to, you know, discovering meditation and like I said, yoga and and all of that. And it led me to a place of ohh, Abraham Hicks, like all of that. And then one day I was listening to a podcast, Lacy Phillips. Team member WOW, I I was. I actually, I saw I was before and I keep wanting to like sign back up again for another year. But it was during that time that I discovered when I was a TBM member and she was on a podcast talking to Mark Groves. I and he's Canadian, he's so good. Oh my God, shout out to the both of you honestly. 

Yeah. And so she asked him what is human design was. And he's like, I believe I'm a manifestor. And I've paused it because obviously I was in the mind frame of manifestation. And I was like, wait, what is this? And so I, you know, listen to it a couple of times. And I Googled human design. And this was two years ago. Yeah, October of two, 2020 and I pulled up my chart and I was greatly disappointed to find out that I was a generator and not a manifestor. I think most people are disappointed with the with when they discover what their type is because they resonate or are conditioned to believe or feel that they are another different type anyways. And a chart is staring at me and I can barely understand it. And that was all I needed to take the dive in and I took a deep dive for probably about I'd say three or four months and then I stopped. And I was like, OK, I don't, I don't know where where to go more in this. So I kind of put it on pause and it was I think October, so it had been a year. And then October last year I got the ping to actually go to school for it. And so I did my schooling through Katie's of sort of spiritual. She's really great. She's able to take the classic teachings of human design and break it down into a way that's. Really. You can really understand it and digest it. Yeah. So I highly recommend anyone, whoever is 

looking to do that deep dive to learn it through her. She's really great and she's a fellow Canadian as well. Love to support my Canadians. Yes, I'll put it in the show notes. Yes. We'll get you to send me a link because that's same here. I just like everyone to talk to is from the states. Like, no shade, no shade, yes, absolutely. But it's so nice to like be bringing like more North culture. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No one knows what we do up here. They think we're like building English. I'm like, no, we're doing the same thing that you are doing. Yeah, yeah, we're pretty awesome up here in the cold. So yeah. So that's where I that's where I learned it from. And write during this time too was when COVID was really under attack. So I've had lost my job. Four times. So each time I was able to have more and more time to dive in further. So the best thing about human design and what it gave me is 1. Licensing to be who I am. Two, to accept those aspects of my who I am, especially the aspects of me that I kind of suppressed or that I didn't. Not that I was ashamed of, but the part to me that I maybe tried to protect or. Umm. 

Or maybe I was afraid to share. And so for me, that that's the biggest gift of human design, is that now I feel so much more aligned with who I am. I'm more unapologetically who I am, and that's what I want other people to see and feel. It, it brought me from a place of being confused and being unsure of what my path is. Here I am in my 30s. I'm not married. And you know, I'm. I'm not in a career. I'm not what's going on? Why? You know, when's it going to be my turn? I always felt like the universe was forgetting about me. And through human design, I discovered no, no, this is this is how you learn. And through learning, through this experimentation and learning, through through this journey, then you become a wisdom keeper for other people. And you can help other people who experience that similar journey to come through. To the other side. Hmm. That's so juicy, right? I OK, I have like a billion questions humans that I can't even like me. I know. So I guess First off. How do you go about working with people? Yeah. What's the full like practice like and I guess a follow up to that. Yeah fourth move further questions even asked. So how do you work with people? And when you say like get aligned with it, I'm like, it feels like similar to astrology to me when I look at it. And then I'm like some of the things I don't want to follow. Like I think I know my human design and 

I also like know my N node. And stuff and like what I should be doing, but it's also like E there's so much resistance there sometimes to sink into those. Got it. OK, so to answer your first question. So ioffer readings kind of two different ways. One, I go by chapter and there's three chapters. It's a lot of information. And for me it's all about integration. So a change doesn't happen overnight and it's so much to digest. So I was taught in a way to kind of break it apart to then make it, yeah, more digestible. So we do chapter one. We go over your type and your strategy and authority and your profile. So these are. How you're meant to interact with the world, how to make decisions that are correct for you, which is such. I think that's just the that's so important for as a standing point as well as your learning style. So that's really what we learned in the first chapter and if that's all you ever. Want to know, it's a great foundation to like kind of help you, you know, through the rest of your life through that journey. If you want to dive in more, then we go into Chapter 2 and chapter two, we go into the energy centers and the energy centers is taken from the chakra system. And so this is kind of where energy is consistent within us or where we're taking in energy where we can experience conditioning. So we kind of dive into that and then we let that integration set and then chapter three we go into. Specific energies or specific qualities? Your gifts, your strengths, your challenges. You're here to face themes in your life. Those are in all your gates and your channels and that theory. But insightful, very insightful. What's beautiful about it is that human design works in polarity. So every negative feeling or energy 

that we experience, there's a seed or a gift in there. So there's a low expression. In a high expression. And so when we are living in alignment, we're living in flow and we're experiencing and experiencing those gifts and all of that energy though the positive side of all those energies and when we're struggling or out of flow or living in our not self is what human design calls it. That's where we experience more of the challenging side or the low expression of the energies. There is no or good or bad, it just is and it's recognizing. When we're in that struggle, you need to have those struggles to experience and appreciate the the highs, right? So that's why there's no good or bad, it just is. So we do, we can do it that that one way or the other way is what I call the sole contract, which is this is all the information. It's all in one. This is for people who just want it and they're ready to like take the plunge in and everything is done online. I do it over zoom. I do a recording from that way and I send it to you so you can reflect on it. You can watch it 1000 times if you want to. Yeah. And then I also do like a ebook summary. It's a few pages with your chart to kind of go over. To go over everything. So those are kind of the two main ways that I currently do readings and I plan on integrating it more hopefully in the future in different ways as well. So cool. OK, yeah. One thing that you had said there, OK, talk to me about the chakras. I was so interested. Yeah, it's like been coming up for me like here and there, like getting blocked in different areas, but I'm never sure what to do and I'm so interested. Yeah. So it's actually really great. So as I mentioned briefly, I'm doing my Reiki as well. So I'm currently finishing up my 

Ricky Level 2 and I'll probably finish off with my astray as well because we may as well go for it. So Reiki is based off of it's the shocker system. So we have classical teachings of the chakras that we have 7 chakras and they're just think of them as balls of energy, OK, big balls of energy within us. Have the root which keeps us planted firmly on the ground. We have the sacral, we have this emotional solar plexus. We have the heart chakra, the throat chakra, the third eye or ajna, and then the crown and. Human design takes this and breaks it into actually we as we're human beings, we constantly evolve and in 17. 96 don't quote me on that year we, we evolved and created two more chakras. Yeah, so and then each one carries energy very and it's interesting because the energies of the centers and human design are very similar to the energy centers in the shocker system. So there's definitely some overlapping and yeah, so when you're. When your chakras are aligned, you're you feel balanced. You know you have a good connection with yourself. You have a good connection with the universe, with source, with whatever you want to call it. Your feet feel firmly planted on the ground. You have a good sense of direction, your heart open, right. You're able to speak and communicate in a way that's effective and correct for you. Yeah, and you have a healthy, uh, you have healthy sexual boundaries and you know, you have a good sense of of all that, so. I'm thinking of like different times, as you say that where I can feel the alignment and then when you can feel out of the. Absolutely. And it's so interesting. OK. 

Like, and can we talk about how quickly that happens? Because like yesterday I was feeling extremely connected. I literally messaged my friend and I was like, I feel happy today, but is this. And I feel I was like, I feel connected to the universe. And I feel like really like myself. Like just everything you talked about. I'm like, my feet are on the ground. We're good. And then today. I'm having more of like A and this is different too, but like that's not why and I don't know the reason why. Like, I haven't sifted through to find out. Yeah. But I feel more like cloudy today and just that out of alignment. And I'm like how does that happen so quickly? Yeah, well it's interesting. There's I my belief I have a few different beliefs of that one everyday life, right. You're gonna have your highs and your lows. We're not meant to be perfectly aligned creatures because my belief is that our soul is here to learn and explore and grow. And so life presents us with things that we have to navigate, you know, and that's and as we evolve and as our souls reincarnate, we learn more and more and more. So there's that. I also believe in the planetary cycles, the transits. I think they really affect us, and they do. Affect us on an energetic level of where they're sitting each and every time, if you know anything about neutrinos. Neutrinos are basically particles, the recently Stardust, and I am not a scientist, but I will briefly explain, up until the 90s they were said to carry no mass. They had literally no effect on us. And they're the they're the one particle that there's, they're the most abundant in the universe and it wasn't until the 90s that it was discovered that they do carry a tiny bit of mass. Therefore they do carry information. And the man who channeled human design back 

in 1987 said that this the neutrinos do carry mass. So he knew this information before it came into the scientific world. And so wherever the planets are, where you were born is how you are imprinted. And they leave that lasting imprint on you. And that is your authentic self. And that is where the basis of what your human design chart is from is where the planets are. A moment that you were born, as well as about 88 degrees or about 89 days prior to your birth. So there's two imprints. So that's your unconscious and your conscious side, and then that's your energetic body. And as we move through life, and as we experience conditioning from our family, from our friends, from society, from teachers, from religion, from everyone, we create ways of how we should be or what our beliefs are or how. You have to make decisions. And if you look at cultures all across the world, how different we we are based on where we grow up and what human design chose is what that is like. Scrap all of that aside, this is who you are at the moment you are born. This is how you are to make decisions. These are your gifts. Yeah, these are your, you know, these are your challenges. It is, but it's a beautiful awakening. It truly, truly is. And and if you are of the mindset that you are, you want to learn and you want to grow and you want to, you know, leave this place better than when you came into it. Knowing your strengths and knowing your life purpose and why you're here and what you're here to share, I think is a beautiful thing. I love that so much and I think. When you said, like, scrapple that like, this is. Yeah, who you are. We're meant to be and make decisions and everything. The moment 

you came into this world like there was this is like beautiful silence in my head because that's really what it is, is like there's so much noise all the time. And like when I was saying a few minutes ago about like the fog, feeling like that's what it feels like, is there's like noise and they're like, yeah. So I really like that of just like pause everything for a moment. Yeah, exactly. Tap back into that. Can you give everyone like your two fave tips for getting into human design? Like maybe for a beginner? Like who knows nothing and this is their first time hearing about it. And then also maybe for someone like me who was like medium heard of all this stuff. Not medium like intermediate, let's call it heard of this stuff and it's also like. Still, I'm always like on the fence. Like I don't fully dive into everything. So like a couple tips for each of those levels, like beginner, intermediate, so beginners, don't be overwhelmed by the chart. Well, you're going to be overwhelmed by the chart. 

Uh, the chart does make sense. I actually have a free guide in on my website that helps explain what the chart is. I think it's about 2022 pages, but I try to do it in a way that it kind of at least gives you an idea of what the hell everything means on the chart and like how to how to understand it. So I highly recommend going. And downloading that and I made it through canvas. So beautiful. It's my baby. I love junior stuff. And you're like a whiz at the like all the graphic design I love. I love being creative. And so This is why this is another thing too, that human design is giving me an opportunity to tap into that creative side of me. And it's been really fun. So yeah, that would be for my beginner and then for the intermediate. I'd be curious to know like I be curious to know if do you know what is your type? Do you remember generator? Generator. OK, so I'd be curious to know what the. I mean everybody is different. And it's for some people, they just, they don't care, you know, like it's nothing. They don't resonate with human design because to me it's a, it's a modality. I don't think of it as you know. Does this is the word of the Lord, you know? But to me it resonates deeply and it's it's a it's a modality that I I find valuable. So take what resonates and leave the rest. Heavily resonated. Yeah. Like I've like just even though waiting to respond and everything. I'm like no I could take action all day every single day. I could take action for these five people over here and these five people over 

here and but it like it's just it gets me nowhere. The constant like action. Well and it's the irony of it all is one of the biggest issues or challenges that generators face is we have. Been conditioned to be a manifestor, and manifestor type has the only type that's meant to take action. They're the only one and they're about 9% of the population. They have their throat define and it's connected to a motor and this allows them to manifest things into form so they can they're the initiators and evolutionarily speaking speaking, they were the leaders the kings the Queens. The people that like created the laws and the generators were the the I hate to use this term, but the laborers of the world you know we were the workers because we had that defined sacral center we have. A renewable constant energy source within us to like make things happen? Yes. So. But we're conditioned to like, well, you have to, you know, take the bull by the horns and you gotta like, do things to get it done. And we have the energy to get it done. But what when we're doing it from a place of taking that action, it's it's trying to have control. And that's a big thing that I especially had to learn as a generator. I, and I still experience it now this where I'm trying to control life too much. Instead of um pausing and allowing um. Allowing the universe to bring things to me to respond to, and when I take that pause and I actually allow that to happen, it's actually pretty wild what I'm able to manifest. Michael C singer, the guy who wrote the untethered soul, he also wrote the 

surrender experiment. He is incredible. He's a manifesting generator, and it is all about his life and how he completely said rendered to the universe and said yes to things when he wanted to say no, and how that created this life that he never thought in his wildest dreams whatever happened. And it's a beauty. I think it's a beautiful book that every single generator type should read, because it does. The biggest theme is. Pause. Hmm. You know, I always say that it's the luxury of responding. So imagine you're at a high school dance and the boys are on one side and the girls are on the other. We don't have to go to the boys and ask them to dance. We can wait for the boys to come over and ask us to dance, and we can say yes, or we can say no. We have the choice. That's the gift of responding. So we can say yes or we can say no. And there's a piece in that, you know, so if we have that reframe. Of you're not just waiting around to respond to things which were actually responding to things all day long. Like if you actually were responding to emails, social media, books, menus, people, all we're doing is responding to external things. So yeah, just kind of having that reframe. So true. Yeah. And even, like responding to our own societal conditioning, like continuously like. Um, I when I originally started the podcast, it was the Better Bodies Podcast, which I've rebranded to the Better Boundaries Podcast. But I'm struggling with an eating disorder at the time and just like excessive exercise. And so I go through that every day of like responding yes or no. Are we going to keep going in blindly to this unconscious patterning of like, do I have to do a workout today when I'm already exhausted and just like picking 

and choosing which avenues there? It's so interesting. You look at each of those things as opportunities. It's empowering, right? When you, when you look at it that way, it's like I have the choice, I am given the choice, and I think that that's really key. Umm, can you tell everybody where they can find you and how to get in touch with you and all of that stuff? And I'll link it in the show. Absolutely. So I'm most active on Instagram. I AM 35 by design, but it's spelled out all of it. And I'm also you can also check out my website whichis35bydesign.com 

and that's where you can find me. Those are my 2, the two biggest places where I'm most active. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you for doing this. Oh my God thank you for having me.